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Philli
#143 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:03:42 AM(UTC)
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If I'm doing my sums right, Maria will lose 400 points for not attending Charleston next week  PLUS 550 for Amelia Island after the 12 months elapse.  That will drop her to 86 in the rankings.  She's got a lot of work to do, if she ever wants to see the top ten again.
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#168 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 11:28:45 AM(UTC)
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[quote user="Philli"]If I'm doing my sums right, Maria will lose 400 points for not attending Charleston next week  PLUS 550 for Amelia Island after the 12 months elapse.  That will drop her to 86 in the rankings.  She's got a lot of work to do, if she ever wants to see the top ten again.[/quote]


No philli i think you're doing that wrong


First, maria will drop to around 50 in the rankings (49,51 etc). 550 pts will be deducted from her 1730pts from winning amelia island last year.


and  then  220pts from charleston( if she doesnt choose to play that), and then fall to 960 pts!!!! with a ranking of apprx. 58 or 59!!

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#144 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 1:54:01 PM(UTC)
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I think you had better check your figures.  She has currently 1680 points NOT 1730.  She will lose 400 from Charleston..doubled from last years 200., and 550 from Amelia Island.  That's 950 deducted from 1680----- equals 740.  Jill craybus is currently 85th with 747 points.
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#66 Posted : Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:18:15 PM(UTC)
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[quote user="Philli"]I think you had better check your figures.  She has currently 1680 points NOT 1730.  She will lose 400 from Charleston..doubled from last years 200., and 550 from Amelia Island.  That's 950 deducted from 1680----- equals 740.  Jill craybus is currently 85th with 747 points.[/quote] HAPPY EASTER to you too !!
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#89 Posted : Sunday, April 19, 2009 10:39:59 PM(UTC)
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ved was in the ballpark:


Sony Ericsson WTA Tour Singles Rankings
(as of Apr 20, 2009)


1 (2) SAFINA, DINARA    RUS 8951
2 (1) WILLIAMS, SERENA  USA 8272
3 (3) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS 7391
4 (4) JANKOVIC, JELENA  SRB 7350
5 (5) WILLIAMS, VENUS   USA 7102
6 (6) ZVONAREVA, VERA   RUS 6270
7 (7) IVANOVIC, ANA     SRB 5174
8 (8) AZARENKA, VIKA    BLR 4646
9 (9) KUZNETSOVA, SVETA RUS 4308
10(10) PETROVA, NADIA   RUS 3840


64(53) SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS  910


[quote user="ved_mariafan"]


[quote user="Philli"]If I'm doing my sums right, Maria will lose 400 points for not attending Charleston next week  PLUS 550 for Amelia Island after the 12 months elapse.  That will drop her to 86 in the rankings.  She's got a lot of work to do, if she ever wants to see the top ten again.[/quote]


No philli i think you're doing that wrong


First, maria will drop to around 50 in the rankings (49,51 etc). 550 pts will be deducted from her 1730pts from winning amelia island last year.


and  then  220pts from charleston( if she doesnt choose to play that), and then fall to 960 pts!!!! with a ranking of apprx. 58 or 59!!


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#67 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2009 2:23:32 AM(UTC)
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Pffffffffffffff, number 64 in the ranking ! As from now it can only get better !!  Maria, COME ON , you can do it !  Yes, you can !
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#21 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2009 6:11:51 AM(UTC)
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ved_mariafan  look at the facts.. Maria said herself that she had been in pain with her shoulder DAY and NIGHT for almost a year with her shoulder and was taking great doses of cortisone to kill the pain.  I am telling you, that not only was she pumped up with cortisone but other pain killing drugs as well...AND THAT is why she performed...like she'd NEVER EVER performed before at the AO, and Doha.  After that, she was burned out and missed The SE champs and needed time to recover.


She knew how bad she was injured but she had a duty to her sponsors to perform.  Do you think she would have got the Tiffany contract if she had pulled out of Tennis before the French Open?  Sponsors dont buy into lame ducks.


Her pathetic performances, ducking out of Rome before the Semis, crashing at RG and bombing at Wimbledon were signs to all of us...and her, that the end was in sight and she couldn't hide the truth any longer. 


I have no sympathy for her whatsoever...She brought this on herself by her own lust for money and sponsorship exposure.  All that crap about saying she had no idea how badly she was injured is pure bullshit.  She knew alright.  By saying she was in pain day and night all the time was an admission that she had been lying to everybody for so long.


Just wait, her comeback to her comeback will be just as big a flop as her doubles shambles.


 

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YOU ARE A FUKCIN IDOT,YOU'D WANTA GOWAY AND BANG YOUR HEAD,MARIA IS A TRUE CHAMPION AND ALWAYS WILL BE...

IF IT WERNT FOR HER SHOULDER PROBLEMS SHE WOULD HAVE DOMINATED THE WHOLE YEAR,AND WE ALL KNOW THAT SO LESS OF YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT U OBSESSED FREEK!!

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#48 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2009 9:12:02 PM(UTC)
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I have an idea. What is better NMaria Never touching a racket agin or Maria takeing her time. If she doesn't take her time her shoulder could be gone for ever and none of us would ever want that would we??? maria will take her time and she will get better at least by the US open!! o be posative gosh dudes

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#90 Posted : Monday, April 20, 2009 10:40:29 PM(UTC)
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I so agree. [H] IMO, here's the thing on rankings:


1) To accumulate points, you have to play. When you're not able to play, they expire. Simple.


2) Everyone knows, if Justine were still playing, she would have like ten or twelve thousand points. As it is, she has none. Does that make her less a champion? Not.


3) When Kim returns, no one will sweat how long it takes her to accumulate points--we know she's going back to the top ten.


4) Same with Masha. Points are nice but they're like money--just another way of keeping score. We don't really judge a champion by points--but by what we know she can do on court.

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#145 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:12:10 AM(UTC)
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Yes Paul, I agree, and we all know what Kim is capable of, if she puts her mind to it.


The point about Maria that you are all missing is this:  Her serve..or the way she performs it..is the cause for her shoulder injury.. No other top player with a big serve ever had shoulder problems...only Maria because of the un-natural action she uses.


If she doesn't correct it...or change it..... it will happen again.  A less powerful serve would be better if she had anything else in her game...but she doesn't.. Her left side is still weak, she is slow to react and is sooooo boring to watch on court.. Not what you would call a dynamic player.


There are so many things she needs to do to her game if she wants to carry on.. She cannot...dare not, rely on her serve anymore. 


Look at the facts...it lasted two years, seasons 2005 and 2006, before it began to collapse in 2007.  The writing was on the wall back then, but she never took any notice.

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#91 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:45:00 AM(UTC)
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"Her serve..or the way she performs it..is the cause for her shoulder injury.."


Very possibly correct.


"No other top player with a big serve ever had shoulder problems..."


The power game is still relatively new on the women's side. But, even within that context, I doubt it. Rather, they hide them--discourage attention to infirmities, like Lenochka did with the old Sydney injury. Why? $$$, duh. In few (if any) other sports does the minutiae of an individual player's body receive such intense focus from fans, opponents, media and sponsors.


Re Maria's left side: Jola Haschek's youtube vids from Nick Bollettieri's school clearly showed work on her left in progress.


Maria Sharapova is "sooooo boring to watch on court.."...? [:^)] I don't even know what to say to that. [:P]


She has not ignored the need for a varigated game--that was critical to her success at the 2007 YEC. We didn't get to see her new moves for long in 2008 because she got hurt again.


All that said, there is a core to your argument that I actually agree with--a somewhat similar situation to American football in Texas, where the "Friday Night Lights" are sacrosanct. Rabid coaches & fathers have condemned generations of young men to lifetimes with blown knees and other severe damage. There are certain tactics & training methods that should never be inflicted on the still-developing physiology of even the toughest teenaged athlete. I make myself real unpopular by opining the obvious: outlaw certain methodology, at least on the level of high school football.


Fans treat tennis as religion & the commentariat views it as a theater of geopolitical war but, as Kim reminds them to their distress, it's finally just a game.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:26:16 PM(UTC)
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[quote user="paul_pipkin"]

"Her serve..or the way she performs it..is the cause for her shoulder injury.."


Very possibly correct.


"No other top player with a big serve ever had shoulder problems..."


The power game is still relatively new on the women's side. But, even within that context, I doubt it. Rather, they hide them--discourage attention to infirmities, like Lenochka did with the old Sydney injury. Why? $$$, duh. In few (if any) other sports does the minutiae of an individual player's body receive such intense focus from fans, opponents, media and sponsors.


Re Maria's left side: Jola Haschek's youtube vids from Nick Bollettieri's school clearly showed work on her left in progress.


Maria Sharapova is "sooooo boring to watch on court.."...? [:^)] I don't even know what to say to that. [:P]


She has not ignored the need for a varigated game--that was critical to her success at the 2007 YEC. We didn't get to see her new moves for long in 2008 because she got hurt again.


All that said, there is a core to your argument that I actually agree with--a somewhat similar situation to American football in Texas, where the "Friday Night Lights" are sacrosanct. Rabid coaches & fathers have condemned generations of young men to lifetimes with blown knees and other severe damage. There are certain tactics & training methods that should never be inflicted on the still-developing physiology of even the toughest teenaged athlete. I make myself real unpopular by opining the obvious: outlaw certain methodology, at least on the level of high school football.


Fans treat tennis as religion & the commentariat views it as a theater of geopolitical war but, as Kim reminds them to their distress, it's finally just a game.


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Capriati had shoulder issues...and the injuries depend on the player...it just happens Maria is her shoulder...Kim has her wrists, Justine her knees, & Serena & Venus have an assortment of wrist/leg/thumb issues.

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#92 Posted : Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:06:51 PM(UTC)
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Sony Ericsson WTA Tour Singles Rankings
(as of May 4, 2009)


Little change this week.


1 (1) SAFINA, DINARA    RUS  9071
2 (2) WILLIAMS, SERENA  USA  8272
3 (3) DEMENTIEVA, ELENA RUS  7391
4 (4) JANKOVIC, JELENA  SRB  7350
5 (5) WILLIAMS, VENUS   USA  7102
6 (6) ZVONAREVA, VERA   RUS  6040
7 (7) IVANOVIC, ANA     SRB  5174
8 (9) KUZNETSOVA, SVETA RUS  4776
9 (8) AZARENKA, VIKA    BLR  4546
10(10) PETROVA, NADIA   RUS  3840


65(64) SHARAPOVA, MARIA RUS   910

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#61 Posted : Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:28:41 PM(UTC)
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Maria will disappear off the rankings if she doesn't play at RG...

 

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#146 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2009 10:28:16 AM(UTC)
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Dropped to 65 Today.  deduct 450, for not being at Rome, from 910.....460, and she'll be at 140 in the rankings next week.
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#93 Posted : Monday, May 04, 2009 10:52:32 AM(UTC)
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Clijsters has no ranking. Re Kim, however, it's all about how nice that she's getting ready to play again. What's the difference, except that you're not predisposed against Kim?
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#94 Posted : Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:42:33 PM(UTC)
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July 6 WTA rankings -- no position changes this week:


1 1 Safina, Dinara RUS 10521
2 2 Williams, Serena USA 8758
3 3 Williams, Venus USA 6617
4 4 Dementieva, Elena RUS 6591
5 5 Kuznetsova, Svetlana RUS 6071
6 6 Jankovic, Jelena SRB 5980
7 7 Zvonareva, Vera RUS 5400
8 8 Azarenka, Victoria BLR 5066
9 9 Wozniacki, Caroline DEN 4780
10 10 Petrova, Nadia RUS 3300


60 60 Sharapova, Maria RUS 970

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#35 Posted : Wednesday, July 08, 2009 3:28:26 AM(UTC)
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In the Race to the Sony Ericsson Championships Maria is 40 with 10!!! tournaments! Warsaw+R.Garros+Birmingham+Wimbledon=10.How can they make such a mistake?
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#95 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 10:19:04 AM(UTC)
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As of July 13, 2009


1 1 Safina, Dinara RUS 10521
2 2 Williams, Serena USA 8758
3 3 Williams, Venus USA 6617
4 4 Dementieva, Elena RUS 6591
5 5 Kuznetsova, Svetlana RUS 6071
6 6 Jankovic, Jelena SRB 5980
7 7 Zvonareva, Vera RUS 5400
8 8 Azarenka, Victoria BLR 5066
9 9 Wozniacki, Caroline DEN 4840
10 10 Petrova, Nadia RUS 3300


61 60 Sharapova, Maria RUS 970


Again no change to speak of.

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#96 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:36:45 PM(UTC)
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AUG 24 2009


1 1 Safina, Dinara          RUS 9810
2 2 Williams, Serena      USA 8907
3 3 Williams, Venus       USA 6865
4 5 Dementieva, Elena RUS 6835
5 4 Jankovic, Jelena       SRB 6620
6 6 Kuznetsova, Svetlana RUS 5960
7 7 Zvonareva, Vera         RUS 5300
8 9 Azarenka, Victoria     BLR 4612
9 8 Wozniacki, Caroline   DEN 4400
10 10 Pennetta, Flavia      ITA 3420


30 49 Sharapova, Maria RUS 1720


So I rarely understand the thinking of Medusa (WTA computer). Dementieva seems to have acquired 600 points over last week. Now, winning Toronto earned her 800, but there was the Olympic point expiration matter. Pro-rated in increments over four years would seem to make too much sense to be real--and neither Zvonareva nor Safina's numbers have changed from last week, so I don't think that's it. [:^)] Oh well, I suppose the numbers must work out some way or the girls' agents would be raising holy hell.

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