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#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:50:50 AM(UTC)
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Roland Garros upcoming, expect me as always to savage the lies & distortions of lapdog sportspress & commentariat polishing the agendas of their corporate boardrooms. Often seems like there is no other kind of English-language mouthpiece, but that's not so. Some Good ones:


US has Tracy Austin, Lindsay Davenport Brad Gilbert. Overall, you gotta give Johnny Mac a thumbs up--only agenda he serves is that of his own family & their New York crowd.


Best on Eurosport are Simon Reed Samantha Smith. Sam is especially knowledgeable & largely unbiased.


Print is just as bad. All I can think of off the top of my head who have NEVER talked trash or are greased up are Greg Couch & Dave Zirin.


In the blogosphere, the official blogger of Roland Garros site, Drew Lilley, is a righteous dude. 
Maybe a few others; Matt Cronin is iffy. Listen seriously most of the time, but he does fall from grace.


Far as I'm concerned, you can pretty much flush most of the rest. 


 


CHECK IT OUT: Name of this thread SHOULD be "Trash-Talk Update", but the site would not let me post it that way! 

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:58:00 AM(UTC)
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 Been waiting for the we hate Chris Bradnam thread


From the ATP commentators... Robbie Koenig and Mark Petchey 

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#3 Posted : Friday, May 20, 2011 11:15:59 AM(UTC)
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Lemme tell you about Chris Bradnam. Beijing last fall--girls had just come from Tokyo & I think he'd been commentating on Japan as well. Bradnam spun this long, elaboorate tale about how the players had drawn lots for the four byes--spun it outta whole cloth! 


Even denser fans might've noticed the byes were assigned to the finalists & semifinalists from Tokyo! 


That is, in fact, Chinese policy--one of several WTA does not like: too logical, too fair, & erodes WTA's ability to manipulate draws & outcomes. So whether you believe Chris was somehow pandering to the bosses or whether he's just so retarded he really couldn't figure out what we could see at a glance, one conclusion is unavoidable: You can't believe what he respresents as "fact". 


Bradnam makes up stories as he goes along.

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#4 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 3:12:25 PM(UTC)
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What is NOT speculative about Maria's Rome Championship (besides beating the WTA's darlings) are the three games before Vika's injury. Any honest examination opens the door to argument Masha had already turned the match.


Trash-talk to the contrary is 99% from minds that actively want Maria to lose--and the great bulk of those are mentalities who hate all things Russia. I don't bother arguing with them anymore. They are little jokes vomiting up their fathers' cold-war nostalgia.


The embittered Patrick McEnroe (still dunno what really happened to him at USTA) is oozing from a truly disgusting ethnic contempt for the Slavic East to hatred of just about everybody. Patrick is now ready to propose that all Tour events since the last USO are tainted & invalid because the sisters aren't there.


I'm telling y'all, my countrymen are escalating from self-absorption into outright dementia. Brit Eurosport is saner but just as bizarre. By today, they didn't bat an eye at calling for Caro to employ gamesmanship, pull a phony restroom break--whatever it took to frustrate Dani's run. But watch: when Dani plays Kuzi, they'll be rooting for Dani


 


Have you noticed the mouthpieces have turned 180 degrees on their long-standing lie that there are no friendships among players? So what's changed? Twitter, duh? Now everyone can see the girls chattering to each other. So now it's like, oh we never said that.  Get a grip on this: commentariat will tell you any lie they can keep you believing in the service of their business & political agendas.

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#5 Posted : Monday, May 30, 2011 4:59:36 PM(UTC)
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Cliff Drysdale (ESPN2) eventually let slip what was biting his butt about Masha through the Round of 16. He was still sore she'd beaten the Garcia girl. I thought Caroline Garcia represented some sort of political investment when Pammie Schriver pulled in Navratilova to help promote her. French players are not Martina's usual venue of interest...  


During NBC coverage of the Kuzi-Dani match on Sunday, Mary Carillo was working to pitch Dani credit to Darren Cahill (Adidas team). In the process, she mentioned that Cahill can no longer coach at a tournament where he commentates due to conflict of interest.


I recall IW 2010, I think--Cahill was coaching Dani when she had Venus on the run. In the FoxSportsNet box, they were freaking out and Justin Gimelstrob went running down to Cahill at courtside demanding to know what made Dani think she could possibly beat their favorite. Totally improper. Don't know if this conduct influenced anything, but Dani then let the match get away from her.  Dunno, but I have not seen Cahill working with Dani since then.


Not necessarily on that particular incident, but it sounds like there has been either legal action or threat of same to curtail some of the highly questionable inbreeding among commentariat & pet tennis bums. I say it's high damned time! 


But see: All these sportswriters who are supposed to have the skinny behind the scenes--you never read any of them informing you about what's going down on something like that, do you? 

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:20:59 AM(UTC)
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Again cheers to blogger Drew Lilley for clear vision beyond the drivel we listen to on Eurosport, etc:


3.35 pm: Li has broken down Vika's resistance. The Belarusian is looonging, wiiiding and Li is harvesting points with alacrity. 5-2. Mazza meanwhile leads 4-3 but has just served up her fourth DF. There's life in this game yet (not much, but life nevertheless). I am still confident we will see the Masha-dance in about 10 minutes time (arms aloft, radiant smile, kisses blown to crowd. None of this unseemly bellowing and chest-thumping for the long-limbed Siberian).


http://www.rolandgarros....1106011306930100156.html 


Kudos! 

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:23:34 PM(UTC)
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shrapi & I remarked on the RG thread:


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I second all what You said about Azarenka and Petkovic. Azarenka is a psycho. And I hope she gets outed by Li Na. Hope Maria can win against Petkovic.( she should start a dancing career ) A win of Petko would create here in Germany an unsupportable atmosphere and they would drag Maria in the mud. Good luck Maria !!!


Comprends the "unsupportable atmosphere". GOOD way to put it.  What you are looking at there is the German version of the same crap spewed out by the commentariat in the States & Britain -- and I suspect for the same underlying motives.


It remains odd to me however, for media to use Petkovic in this way. Andrea's Balkan ties are too complicated. It might be simply a matter that Görges will not allow that sort of image to be projected on her, so Andrea becomes their "anti-Sharapova" by default. 



Check this out: At the beginning of ESPN2 replay of Masha-Petko, Cliff Drysdale (audibly reading from notes if not a script) remarked on Andrea's birth in Bosnia. Then, "Her parents are thinking about going back to Serbia..."


I'd say "thinking" is finished--in that they bought a home there & are long moved in. lol


Drysdale assures us: "Andrea says, since she and her sister were brought to Germany at such an early age (6 months), she feels German and would never return to the country of her birth."


That's easy--in that her "country of birth" was the Socialist Rep of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia -- which no longer exists! lol 


But why did Cliff pull that little bit of disingenuousness outta his ass? Could it have to do with Andrea staying at her folks' place & training in Serbia? Exactly! The mouthpieces fear there is more intel leaking across the Atlantic than the minimal American sports mentality oughta hear--that it might prejudice the image German media has cooked up for her


Andrea Petković (Андреа Петковић) born 9 September 1987 in Tuzla; Residence: Darmstadt, Germany; Her father Zoran Petković, former Yugoslav tennis player and member of the Yugoslavia Davis Cup team.


Drysdale introduced this spiel suspiciously, "She's something of an intellectual." (In Yankee parlance, "intellectual" often connotes "seditious". :P ) Mnnn...  Maybe. WTA says:


Enjoys reading, writing; favorite authors are Goethe, Wilde; people most admired are Goethe (genius in writing) and Che Guevara (genius in fighting).


 Could be I like this girl after all.


 


PS: Later on, Cliff was flogging the "Arizona Vickie" myth for all it's worth. They seem to get more shrill with that bull the more time Vika spends back in Minsk and hangs with her Ukrainian boyfriend.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, June 02, 2011 11:43:25 AM(UTC)
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Darren Cahill just announced that Chris Evert will join the ESPN2 team at Wmbledon. This is a GOOD thing.  Evert's agendas are focused more on USTA than WTA interests. Evert is too big a power player for the Witches to jerk around. AND, should a Williams turn up, she does NOT pander for the sisters. 

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#9 Posted : Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:01:15 PM(UTC)
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ESPN2 liar Mary Jo Fernandez was finally forced to mention Lisicki's Paris meltdown. She presented it as a purely physical matter equivalent to Sabine's USO injury! Well, I gotta Roland Garros tape when co-Witch Pammie Schriver confirmed LIVE there was nothing physical wrong with the woman.


Y'see how they do?





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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:23:27 PM(UTC)
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In the NBC replay of Masha's semi, a good five to ten minutes of play time is CUT. (I can figure that out to the minute if you want.) In part, this was to remove all of Masha's positive expressions from the first three games & make her early problems look unremittingly dreary--as compared to the BBC live feed.


For some reason, they didn't want us to know the weather threat was a factor during the first set. They artifically kept goosing up the light and, though you could see Lisicki glancing upward, would not show us what was going on in the sky until the beginning of the second.


THEN, saying that a rain delay was all that could save Sabine, they all (including Johnny Mac, to his discredit) savaged Engzell for not stopping play!


Get the picture? Forget about the interruptions for testimonials to the sisters and a tasteless film clip ridiculing girls who make noise; xenopohobe Ted Robinson demanding Masha be regarded as Amerikaan --you know we're fed a steady diet of that swill in the Yankeeland. There is something MORE interesting. All those shots you saw thru BBC of Team Sharapova in the stands were CUT.


I posted on the Wimbly thread & will repost here because it's important:


Let us give particular attention to grass advisor/hitting partner Valdimir Volchkov. The Belarusian's image was CUT from the NBC version altogether--and needless to say, no mention of him. I mean, he sat right by Thomas and they talked constantly--we saw that on the BBC live feed.


Moreover--Volchkov & Hogstedt wore matching jackets! That is something else new for Team Sharapova.


NBC finds something about this association inappropriate for Yankees' little pea-brains.  When the media hides something from me, I figure it's even more important. In a few hours, we will see what ESPN2 does with him.


 

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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:15:16 PM(UTC)
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Only just seen this thread. Certainly makes for interesting reading.


Over here, most of our commentators are poor but there are 2 commentators in particular i cannot stand. #1 is Andrew Castle, the man thinks he is a know all, when in fact he knows bog all. He also cannot stand the Russian players, in particular Maria, with his constant digs about her. And #2 is Barry Davies. He was commentating on a Maria match at RG (I think against Schnyder), it was before Maria's shoulder surgery. Maria then got the trainer on court as she was in pain with it and Mr Davies went on to say that basically Maria called the trainer out because she was behind  Lo and behold a few months later Maria needed surgery on her 'fake' injury. He also cannot stand the grunting girls and makes a point of whining about it no matter who is commentating on


Sam Smith is good, she gives an un-biased opinion and most of the time is spot on. Virginia Wade is ok but she's been off form at Wimbledon. And it would be nice if the BBC didn't keep shoving Murray down the audience's throats, trying to tell us how wonderful he has played despite his very easy and dare i say it fixed draw

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#12 Posted : Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:52:22 PM(UTC)
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Thanx, Baris. I wish we had the material from the "Trash-Talk Update" thread from the old forum. (When i started this new one, I found the new site wouldn't let me put "trash" in the title. lol) Absolutely agree re Sam Smith--best Eurosport team is her alongside Simon Reed. 


Anyway, lemme give credit where it's due. I just watched the entire ESPN2 replay. I just assume the commentary was added afterwards--that only makes sense, actually. When they have over eight hours before air time, why not look smooth? Of course, MJF was working with Chris Evert, so the standard of commentary stayed high.


I gotta say that ESPN2 came off immaculate  compared with the abomination fobbed off by NBC. I could identify nothing cut from the BBC's live feed--the weather was just as we saw it live and all the pix of Volchkov were there. (No comment, but ESPN2 had identified him during an earlier match.)


More, not only were there none of the nasty put-downs but I also gotta say this was some of the most positive Masha-coverage I have EVER heard/seen from them!


ESPN2's image quality was superior to NBC's rendering of the match, as well.


Maybe they had time to reflect on what was heard about NBC? 

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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2011 4:18:24 PM(UTC)
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Sunday night, The Tennis Channel in the States replayed Elena Dementieva's 1999 Fed Cup debut at Stanford--when she had just broken into the top 100 & at her first Fed Cup turned the match around and beat a young Venus in a third set tiebreak. :brav: 

Anyway: It's late 1999 because it's the Final and the commentators specified Elena was 18. 


Well. Guess what8-) Apparently in those dark, benighted days, Yanks COULD pronounce Russian names correctly! Lief Shiras & Katrina Adams were wrapping their mouths around jɪˈlʲenə dʲɪˈmʲentʲjɪvə & the more daunting name of her Russian captain at the time & a couple of others.


Just like they didn't know that a "guuuud Amurkaan" would drawl Dee-men--tee--EHVA.  


Now, tune in Shiras & Adamas--who still commentate for TTC--and hear how they NOW sound like Florida trailer-trash! Right. This wink-and-nudge ethnic slur is NOT EVEN OLD BEHAVIOR!


Sometime during the George Bush years, the boardroom sent down a memo that the commentariat must ridicule Russians by hillbilly pronunciation of their names!


That mandate still binds the Yankee mouthpieces.



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Roland Garros upcoming, expect me as always to savage the lies & distortions of lapdog sportspress & commentariat polishing the agendas of their corporate boardrooms. Often seems like there is no other kind of English-language mouthpiece, but that's not so. Some Good ones:


US has Tracy Austin, Lindsay Davenport Brad Gilbert. Overall, you gotta give Johnny Mac a thumbs up--only agenda he serves is that of his own family & their New York crowd.


Best on Eurosport are Simon Reed Samantha Smith. Sam is especially knowledgeable & largely unbiased.


Print is just as bad. All I can think of off the top of my head who have NEVER talked trash or are greased up are Greg Couch & Dave Zirin.


In the blogosphere, the official blogger of Roland Garros site, Drew Lilley, is a righteous dude. 
Maybe a few others; Matt Cronin is iffy. Listen seriously most of the time, but he does fall from grace.


Far as I'm concerned, you can pretty much flush most of the rest. 


 


CHECK IT OUT: Name of this thread SHOULD be "Trash-Talk Update", but the site would not let me post it that way! 



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#16 Posted : Friday, August 12, 2011 9:05:39 AM(UTC)
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Voskoboeva is only "unknown" if you don't pay attention to TENNIS. Which ignorance, of course, is exactly what the network mouthpieces are tasked to encourage. 


Eurosport has to receive some kudos for even so much as showing & commenting on Sharapova versus Voskoboeva. Yankee ESPN2 WOULD NOT EVEN MENTION the match, primarily to avoid their viewers becoming interested in the Kazakhstan Kontrakt. Today they'll slip in some santinized highlights amongst their four hour Montreal segment. (The two-hour evening timeslot will of course be the Serena Show.)


But even the Eurosport commentary on the Kontrakt was disingenuous. Smarmy liar Chris Bradnam asked his partner (think it was Durie) what was on the "back channels" about Russian upcomers. "Back channels", my ass! These bullshit artists have no more channels than we do--they get all their poop off the Net. They just imagine we're all too stupid to find out better!


Then she proceeded to lie to our faces, asserting there are less young Russians coming up than "back when Russia dominated everything". That is freakin' ridiculous! 


But see, if you believe as the mouths demand--that the stratified world of majors & Premiere Tour events is all there is; if you don't realize that ITF IS THE REAL GLOBAL TENNIS--then you're open to swallow their politicized shit.


If you're too lazy to click a mouse & search around, then just refer to our thread http://www.mariasharapov...NEW-TALENTS--FEMALE.aspx to meet a number of the upcomers whose existence Eurosport denies 

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#17 Posted : Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:44:04 AM(UTC)
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Worth noting that ESPN2 apparently realizes the "Arizona Vicky" myth is unsustainable. Early in the Serena-Vika match, Cliff Drysdale began to ease away from it, putting Azarenka's Scottsdale tenure in the past tense. Noted that she had spent time with friends Nikolay Khabibulin and his family. (Guess so, she lived with 'em, duh. )


So the mouthpieces know they gotta back off that dreck--expect criticism of her as a player & a human being to intensify in accordance.

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#18 Posted : Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:13:13 AM(UTC)
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Woolly-woolly the mouthpieces consistently pull, in this case directed at Zvonareva. Note:


http://www.mariasharapov...incinnati-Interview.aspx 


(Thanx for the post.) "...you had not played Vera in a couple of years."


In Tour matches, no. But Fowler & MJF depend on the ignorance of viewers to interpret that as "unfamilar with her game".  Such could hardly be less true.


Masha & Vera continue to practice together and you've seen them play a couple of exos recently--another coming up on Taiwan in December.


Players seem not to find the distortion consequential & don't correct it. In itself, it may not be a big deal. But this lays foundation for the commentariat's totally fictional picture of player relations.


 


UPDATE: Per my policy of not allowing the slightest affront to go unremarked:


By the end of Masha's Championship match in Cincy, the disgruntled ESPN2 commentariat concluded her victory was due to "just pure determination" and "only mental toughness".


Note that even laudable character traits are dismissed with a diminutive when admitted about the beautiful Russian.  They don't do that to anybody else.


ESPN2 would not stay for the ceremony. Chris Fowler's last word about Maria:


"A very photogenic person who won very ugly."


The. End. 

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#19 Posted : Monday, August 29, 2011 5:25:08 PM(UTC)
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After Maria's victory, Patrick McEnroe on ESPN2, in a fit of his typical embittered hatred, called on Maria's opponents to harass her with incessant complaints to chairs about her shrieking. He insinuated that USTA would back such a personal attack on the Russian.


Well, I say to him & the other trivial Yankee trash-mouths--have the courage of your convictions, assholes. Throw down! And we'll just see how that works out for you.


We know what you are & we know your agenda--and don't think it won't be heard across the Net!  

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:25:04 PM(UTC)
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Well, the flap over slippery USO courts seems to open up the whole ATP/USTA/ITF can of worms. lol!


Interesting: The Sky Sports 1 crew offers a great deal more in-depth commentary on the business-political dimensions of the game than we ever hear over here--or even on Eurosport.


Only when something allows Johnny Mac to rant does American media even touch these matters.


On ESPN2, soon as discussion veered toward the need for a real player union (not some ATP corporate horseshit), Clif Drysdale jumped in to huff and puff disapproval of the very notion.


We don't need that sorta commie crap in the Tea Party Yankeeland, y'know...? 

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